li>Prov. 1:7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and discipline.
The following is a forum post from a person who doesn’t believe in the supernatural. It is the end of what was an on going discussion. If you are a Christian, keep people like this in your prayers because they need their eyes opened to the truth. My final response back follows below.
(Secular Humanist)
Good thing our country’s government is secular and therefore doesn’t apply the laws of one specific religion to all of its citizens. Do you not see how your belief that everyone is subject to your religion’s rules is the belief of a theocratic dictatorship? That is not what this country is about. Your religion’s rules do not apply to me. I would never believe in a deity so full of vengeance and spite and hatred. I don’t feel that way towards my children, and any "heavenly father" I would choose to believe in would not feel that way towards us. I reject your beliefs and therefore they do not apply to me. Period.
(My Response) ...do not apply to you. Period? That is the mistake you are making. You think it is "my religion, my standards of morality, my Bible, etc". You think it is arrogant of me. Because of being a secular humanist, you don’t believe in the supernatural. Your disbelief though doesn’t take away from the fact that God exists. It doesn’t take away from the fact that he created the entire universe. It doesn’t take away from the fact that the Bible is His Word to us with His standards for living in it. It doesn’t take from the fact that His Word applies to all nations and peoples including ours. Your disbelief doesn’t take from the fact that God sent His Son Jesus Christ into the world, because of sin (immorality), to provide salvation for all who will believe and accept Him. Your disbelief doesn’t take from the fact that Jesus is coming back, will establish His Kingdom and rulership from Jerusalem, and will subdue all nations into one government. HIS government! That is all a fact even though you reject it, and since you reject it, you are rejecting God, His Son Jesus, and His Word. You think you are only rejecting me, but ultimately you are rejecting Them. I, as other Christians who accept His Word, are ones who are sent by Him to point people toward Him. John 20:21 Again Jesus said, "Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you." As far as "hatred" as you say, my Heavenly Father through His Son Jesus is expressing His love to us as His creation. He as a loving Father knows what is best for us, and through His Son has provided a way back to a relationship with Him and His ways of righteous living. This is all true whether you choose to believe it or not. It will come to pass whether you accept it or not. The Truth of and carrying out of it has nothing to do with you believing or not believing. IT HAS TO DO WITH THE CREATOR GOD WHO SAID HE WILL DO IT. In my relationship with Him, He has always done what He has said He will do, so I know His future plans will prevail.
Yes, He is my God. His Son is my Lord and Savior. He is the Savior of the world. His Word, (the Bible), I accept. He is the true God and eternal life. There is eternal life through no other. John 17:3 Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
You can continue to reject it if you wish for the rest of your life, but it will still all be true. You can continue to live your life as you please apart from God, because He has given you that choice. But when Jesus returns, and He is returning inspite of your belief, He says you are going to bow your knees to Him and make a confession to God. What will you say to Him on that day? Rom. 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
No, it’s not about me and what I say. It is about God, His Son Jesus Christ and what They say to us. I have been praying for you and will continue too, because it is about love for you and my fellowman. It isn’t "hatred". What I have in Christ is priceless, and if you ever come to see that, you will know what I mean. Then you will realize it isn’t arrogance being expressed to you and others, but rather the love of God through His Son Christ Jesus. The Lord Christ has honored me with letting me share it with you and others in this life. It is my prayer that when you bow your knees to Jesus and confess to God at His return, that you will be found to be one who in this life accepted Him as your Lord and Savior. May God bless you with being able to see and understand His Word, and bring you to a point of accepting rather than rejecting. Take care my Friend as this will be my last writing to you on the subject...Steven
Friday, August 1, 2008
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